The Ending of the ‘AHS: Apocalypse’ Finale Made Absolutely No Sense

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(Warning: This post contains spoilers for the season finale of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse”)

Hail a different Satan?

If you just finished the “American Horror Story: Apocalypse” finale, you probably have a lot of questions racing through your mind. But the biggest has to be, “What the heck just happened at the end there?” Yes, the season closer for the eighth installment in Ryan Murphy’s FX anthology series simultaneously gave us way too much information and not even remotely enough context for that information in the last couple minutes, which resulted in us knowing even less than we did going into this finale.

So what happens here is those two teens who were kidnapped and brought to Outpost 3, who haven’t been seen since Episode 3, popped up with just a few minutes left on the clock. We see them in the new timeline after Mallory (Billie Lourd) turned back the clock so she could kill Michael Langdon (Cody Fern) before he rose to power, eliminating the threat of the Antichrist and canceling the nuclear apocalypse once and for all — or so we thought.

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Right, so these two — their names are Emily (Ash Santos) and Timothy (Kyle Allen), and it’s OK if you don’t remember that because who even are these people — meet randomly in that new, apocalypse-free timeline. She’s protesting in front of a coffee shop and they bump into each other in a meet-cute and then we cut to a year later and she’s having his baby. Things seem OK-ish, but then we’re already meant to have a bad feeling as it looks like someone is spying on them from the shadows?

Then we cut to three years later, and the teens are now parents coming home from a date night. They complain about how their now 3-year-old son is so angry all the time and how it’s nice to have a break. Emily and Timothy head back into their home and go to relieve the babysitter. But as they do, Timothy notices bloody handprints smeared on the wall going toward their little boy’s bedroom. They rush to the door and see the little guy sitting in a rocking chair, covered in blood while his dead babysitter lies motionless on the carpet. He’s killed her, a la Michael Langdon as a toddler.

This scene is basically a shot for shot shoutout to when Constance found her grandson at the end of “AHS: Murder House.” Only Emily looks horrified, and Jessica Lange’s character was a little giggly.

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So while these two are freaking out about what their son has done, the doorbell rings. Timothy goes to answer it and we see the Black Pope Anton LaVey (Carlo Rota) and Mead (Kathy Bates) — the Satanists who once came looking for Michael Langdon and performed the ceremony that turned him fully into the Antichrist — now searching for this new son of Satan.

Now none of this makes sense, because up until now there’s been no indication there is anything special about these two — even after they were taken to Outpost 3 for supposedly having something unique or great about their DNA worth saving. And they certainly don’t appear to provide anything like the pedigree that Michael Langdon, who was born of a union between a ghost and a living woman, had.

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So, presumably the takeaway here is that Emily and Timothy were taken to Outpost 3 because of whatever they had in them that ended up creating this other Antichrist baby. But, like, in that timeline the Antichrist was already around and actively destroying the world — why would the Cooperative need them, given they’re already superfluous?

We probably shouldn’t ponder any of this too hard, because there’s no way to figure it out without speculating wildly. So we’ll just leave it at that.

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6 Big Questions the ‘AHS: Apocalypse’ Finale Didn’t Answer

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(Warning: This post contains spoilers for the finale of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse.”)

We wondered last week how exactly Ryan Murphy, Brad Falchuk and the rest of the creative team on “American Horror Story: Apocalypse” could possibly finish up this whole thing in just one episode. And in Wednesday’s finale, we got our answer: not that well. The “AHS: Apocalypse” season finale speeds through the resolution to what was a pretty epic tale, leaving big plot threads dangling and not really paying off on so many points the show had set up early on.

So in order to work through our frustration with the finale, let’s take a look at the parts of the episode, and the season as a whole, that just don’t make sense now that it’s finally all over.

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1. What’s up with Emily and Timothy, the teenagers from Outpost 3?

It was always kind of a mystery why Emily (Ash Santos) and Timothy (Kyle Allen) were kidnapped and taken to the outpost when the nuclear apocalypse went down. They were told it was because of their DNA or whatever, but that always felt like a cover for something more nefarious, especially after it was discovered that it was Satanists who both caused the apocalypse and set up the outposts.

The end of the finale feels like it’s supposed to be an answer to that question of why they were chosen. After Mallory (Billie Lourd) successfully averts the apocalypse, the two meet by chance and then have a kid who ends up being a new Antichrist. So presumably, they were picked because Michael (Cody Fern) or somebody else knew about that potential.

But why? Michael Langdon was the Antichrist because he came to be under pretty specific circumstances — having been conceived through the union of a living woman and a dead man.

There’s no tangible evidence anywhere in “AHS: Apocalypse” that Emily and Timothy are special in a similar way. By all appearances they’re just regular people. And why would that potential matter in a world in which the Antichrist is already running around being evil? Seriously, nothing about this whole story really follows.

2. Why would Mallory need to go to the outpost to survive if the other witches survived without shelter?

Cordelia comments early in the finale that the safest place for Mallory is right under Michael’s nose while placed under an identity spell to suppress her magical abilities. Meanwhile, Cordelia (Sarah Paulson), Myrtle (Frances Conroy) and Madison (Emma Roberts) survive by, apparently, burying themselves alive and placing themselves in some kind of hibernation. It’s unclear why the outpost is a better option, because there’s no indication that Mallory would be able to break the spell on her own, should something happen to Cordelia.

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The only possible explanation is that Cordelia knew that if she herself were to die in the apocalypse, that would allow Mallory to attain the full powers of the Supreme, which I guess could cause her to “wake up” from the identity spell and also allow her to pull off the time travel thing. That is, after all, how the whole thing ended up playing out anyway.

But if that was actually the plan, it seems as though Cordelia could have just killed herself before the apocalypse, granting Mallory the Supreme powers and doing the time travel thing earlier. There would have been no need for the apocalypse to ever happen, much less put Mallory in such a dangerous position.

3. Why did any of that crazy stuff that went down in Outpost 3 happen?

It’s easy to forget all that stuff, but narratively everything that happened in the first three episodes of “AHS: Apocalypse” was right before the big final battle. So you have Michael showing up talking about how outposts are being overrun and he needs to take some people to another safe place, then he does some tests to figure out who to take and the Rubber Man makes Mr. Gallant (Evan Peters) murder his grandma, Evie (Joan Collins) and some dead snakes come back to life and then Mead (Kathy Bates) and Venable (also Paulson) poison everybody.

None of those things are addressed in the finale. No explanation for why Michael was visiting the outpost. No info about who has been taking out the other outposts, or if Michael was lying about that. No mention of what Michael had been up to at all over the 18 months since the apocalypse happened. It’s as though the writers forgot about all that stuff just as quickly as many viewers did.

4. Who was the Rubber Man in the outpost?

I know I mentioned this above, but it bears repeating because it was such a huge thing at the time. The show demonstrated very clearly both that Michael was not the one wearing the suit, because he was present in his normal attire while the Rubber Man was having sex with Mr. Gallant. Maybe it was some kind of projection of Michael’s? The actual Rubber Man was his dad, after all, and in a flashback we saw that Michael dressed up as the Rubber Man as a teenager. But that’s just a guess because “AHS” declined to actually explain anything about it. Right now it just feels like a random reference.

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5. How even does the magic time travel spell work?

Last week, Mallory went back to 1918 Russia, clearly as some kind of projection since she faded out and returned to the present as her powers waned. But this time she went back in time, ran over teenaged Michael with a car… and then just stayed there in the past. These concepts do not line up at all, and there was so little explanation for what the tempes infinitum spell actually did that we can’t reconcile them.

6. Why did the plane that flew Coco and Mallory to the outpost not have a pilot?

At the end of the cold open for the very first episode of “AHS: Apocalypse” we saw Coco (Leslie Grossman), Mallory, Mr. Gallant and Evie get on a plane that took them to Outpost 3. And as the scene ended, just before the opening credits started, they go into the cockpit and see that the plane is flying itself. And no mention was ever made of this phenomenon after that scene. Was there a reason? There had to be, right? It was a shocking point they made sure to include in the premiere, so why do they never come back to it or decide it was worth clearing up?

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All the Plot Threads We Need Tied Up in Next Week’s ‘AHS: Apocalypse’ Finale

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(Warning: This post contains spoilers from the Nov. 7 episode of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse.”)

So little time, and so much to explain. The “AHS: Apocalypse” finale airs one week from tonight, and based on today’s installment of Season 8, titled “Fire and Reign,” we’re not totally confident the Ryan Murphy anthology series is going to be able to securely wrap up every thread it’s created over the last nine episodes.

Here are the biggest loose threads we’re pulling at right now, as we prepare for the end of this end of days tale. Here’s hoping someone ties them up next Wednesday.

Cordelia’s plan

So presumably all this will end with the witches triumphing over the Antichrist Michael Langdon. And presumably that victory will involve Mallory’s recently revealed time travel ability. But the ninth episode left us will a couple years still to go until the apocalypse actually occurs — and we don’t really know what Cordelia is planning to do about that. That’s assuming she even has a plan beyond waiting for Mallory’s skills to improve.

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Why Coco and Mallory were in Outpost 3

These two witches were apparently placed under an identity spell and were given access to Outpost 3 to ride out the apocalypse because of Coco’s father’s connections. But why? It can’t be as simple as just a way to keep Mallory safe, because the other surviving witches didn’t apparently need to hide underground to make it through — and it didn’t keep her safe, because she died there.

So was it just an accident that they ended up holed up in there while oblivious to the war with Michael because of the spell? Or was this part of Cordelia’s long-term plan somehow? Whatever the answer is, this will probably need to be the main thread of next week’s finale.

The story of those teenagers from the outpost

You know, those teens we haven’t seen in a million years because we finally got into the “Coven” and “Murder House” stuff after Episode 3 and haven’t been back to the Outpost in the present day since? Those two were taken into the bunker because they were special, allegedly due to their genetics, so they got to be purples. They also fell in love and were breaking Venable’s rules by hooking up in the Outpost. How do they play into the bigger story here? They have to, right? Early on it felt very much like there was a big mystery to their inclusion at the outpost, so it would be weird if “Apocalypse” just never followed up on them.

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How did Mead and Venable get together?

So by the end of the penultimate episode of “Apocalypse,” Mead knows she’s a robot and Venable has been promised she’s going to get total control of one of these outposts that are being constructed by the Illuminati on Michael’s orders. But what we need to know now is how we get from Point A to Point B, in that the Venable and Mead we know post-apocalypse were working together as a unit, and Mead had no idea she was a robot. So how does her memory get wiped, and who puts her and Venable together to rule that outpost with an iron fist?

Basically everything else involving Outpost 3

It’s been so long since we were actually back in the Outpost, in the present day — and when we say present day, we mean the timeline after the apocalypse. The one where Cordelia, Myrtle and Madison had just busted in after everyone inside Outpost 3 died by poison apple, so they could bring back Mallory, Dinah and Coco. But everything in the first three episodes of Season 8 that occurred inside the outpost, including all of Michael’s weird tests and all the scheming Venable and Mead were doing and the appearance of the Rubber Man, just doesn’t add up at this point. If you can even remember what they were doing, that is.

Dinah Stevens’ whole thing

Alright, she was firmly Team Langdon — or firmly Team Dinah — when she helped Michael come in and wipe out all the Coven witches who were inside the academy. And she was rewarded for that act of betrayal against Cordelia’s girls by getting the green light for her own talk show. But we also know she ends up in Outpost 3 with everyone else, under an identity spell that may or may not have been cast by Cordelia.

After “waking up,” Dinah doesn’t want anything to do with this end of days battle in the present timeline — even though it doesn’t really seem like a policy of strict neutrality makes much sense at that point.

We have so many questions about what’s going on with her. Did she strike a deal with Cordelia? The identity spell would imply she wasn’t there by accident. So the finale will need to explain all that.

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All the “Murder House” stuff

It seems almost impossible that we’re doneBecause after Episode 6 took us back to Season 1’s titular haunted mansion, it actually left us with more questions than answers about Michael and his past — and how that affects that apocalypse, the “Coven” witches and the fate of everyone who is trapped in the Murder House. Will Langdon and Cordelia go back to his former home to settle this thing once and for all, and hopefully tie up one giant loose end?

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(Warning: This post contains spoilers for Episode 108 of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse,” titled “Sojourn”)

“American Horror Story: Apocalypse” is going to end with a bang — literally. But what did you expect from a season all about the end of the world?

Yes, after Wednesday’s episode, titled “Sojourn,” we now know Michael Langdon’s plan — to watch the world and everything in it, including those pesky witches, go up in flames — is slowly coming to a head, as we are now just one episode away from the Season 8 finale.

And TheWrap spoke with Cody Fern to get as many details as we possibly could about how his on-screen alter ego — the antichrist himself — plans to duke it out with Supreme Cordelia Goode (Sarah Paulson) and her coven in the last two installments of Ryan Murphy’s “Apocalypse.”

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“What I can say is, the final episode — Ryan is setting up a battle royale,” Fern told TheWrap in an interview on Thursday. “We’ve spent all season doing that. And nobody does a battle royale like Ryan [Murphy] does a battle royale. And there will be a lot of surprises and a lot of twists. I think that the last episode is thrilling, and tragic, and beautiful, and shocking. And it’s many things, and it was many things to all of us [shooting it]. It was a very hard episode to shoot emotionally and I can’t wait for the world to see it. But yeah there are many surprises in store.”

When we asked if the series might return to Murder House — again — this season, Fern said, “Never say never with Ryan. That’s it [laugh].”

See more from TheWrap‘s interview with Fern below, during which he told us what he thinks Michael’s plan is and how he’s definitely underestimating Mallory — the supposed rising supreme witch, played by Billie Lourd — in all this.

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TheWrap: What can you tell us about how Michael gets from where we left off in last night’s episode to where we are when we — presumably — return to the Outpost timeline in the future?

Cody Fern: We’re under such tight lock down with spoilers so I can’t say much. But, what I can share and what I think is important is one of the takeaways from last night’s episode — and full disclosure: I haven’t seen it yet, but you know I was in it for a while [laughs] — is that we’ve seen Michael in the Outpost, Outpost 3, so post-apocalypse. And we’re ramping up to how he got to the apocalypse. And what we have come to understand is that, essentially, Michael has an internal purpose, one that’s directed through him by Satan himself, but that he doesn’t necessarily understand it or how to achieve it. And that this divine purpose, we could call it, is going about, you know, bringing itself to fruition as was prophesied.

Now for Michael, what’s important is that what we’ve seen is Cordelia has burned Mead (Kathy Bates), and the warlocks — but it’s mainly Mead that Michael cares about. And the promise that Michael makes to Cordelia, that “I will find every single one of you and I will kill you,” is important. Because what we now have and what we should now understand is that, the Armageddon is not some inner-specific mission of Michael’s, but rather it’s a very personal mission directed at Cordelia.

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And as we’ve seen in Outpost 3, when Cordelia comes and says, “find our sisters,” and Michael is not surprised that she’s here and he says, “You’re going to wish you were all still dead when I’m finished with you.” And there is unfinished business here, and that that personalization of what the Armageddon is is going to be important moving forward when we get into Episode 9 and then Episode 10.

So how do the events in Episode 8 set up where we are going from here?

Now the dynamic has shifted. It’s no longer just about stopping Michael from ending the world, but it’s the understanding that, with a prophesy, sometimes it’s you change one thing, but that could lead to the change of events that causes the thing that you would find to stop. And I think that’s the case in Episode 8. By burning Mead and taking away Michael’s righthand woman, [Cordelia] leads to a chain of events that causes Michael to seek out the Satanists to ultimately help him to moving into ending the world. And we’re going to get back to Outpost 3 and I’m going to get to wear the wig again!

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Should Michael be more afraid of Cordelia or Mallory — who appears to be the rising supreme —  at this point?

I think Michael’s afraid of what he doesn’t know. And that’s not to get that, while we’re seeing Mallory developing certain powers, Michael’s unaware of those. He meets Mallory for the first time in Outpost 3 and that first interaction that he’s had with her and then moments later everybody is dead and the witches are coming into the outpost and here we go. And Cordelia has revived Mallory, but he doesn’t have an understanding of who Mallory is. He doesn’t know what Mallory’s powers are. He just knows she’s a very powerful witch. Because in his mind, he’s hell-bent on Cordelia and that’s one of his flaws at this time. He’s so focused on destroying Cordelia and making Cordelia suffer for what she’s done to him, that he doesn’t see what’s right in front of him.

TheWrap: There have already been two more seasons of “AHS” ordered. Would you be in them if Ryan asked you back?

If Ryan asked me to do anything, I would walk through fire for him. But also I wouldn’t know what would come next.

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(Spoilers ahead for “American Horror Story: Apocalypse” through the Oct. 31 episode)

On the latest episode of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse,” the show introduced us to a pair of robotics engineers who had sold their souls to Satan in exchange for career success — played by Billy Eichner and Evan Peters sporting hilarious bowl cuts. And we have a feeling we may have already met these characters back at the beginning of the season.

It’s tempting to think these are just a pair of new characters for Peters and Eichner — the second “Apocalypse” character for Eichner and fourth for Peters. Eichner showed up in the early part of the season as Coco’s (Leslie Grossman) boyfriend Brock, who gets left behind when the nuclear devastation happens, and Peters has played Coco’s hairdresser Mr. Gallant, as well as reprising his “Hotel” and “Murder House” characters.

Obviously, it’s not unusual for actors to play different characters in “AHS,” because it’s an anthology series and a lot of the same people come back for each season. And since “Apocalypse” is a crossover between two previous seasons, there’s been a lot of folks playing multiple roles within this season as they bring back old characters and introduce new ones.

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But something interesting within “Apocalypse” is that we now have three actors — Peters, Eichner and Joan Collins, who is both Evie Gallant and Bubbles McGee — who have played multiple characters that are original to this season. It’s not the first time something like that has happened in “AHS” history, but the way these characters have popped up is pretty unusual. And it leads us to believe that the each of those actors is actually only playing one new character, not two. That Peters’ Jeff the robotics engineer and Mr. Gallant are the same person. That Colins’ Evie and Bubbles are the same person. And that Eichner’s Mutt and Brock are the same person.

Contrast this situation with the myriad of folks Peters played in “Cult” last years — he played Kai, the main protagonist, as well as a bunch of historical figures that Kai hallucinated. So not people who exist in the present, real narrative. These new folks in “Apocalypse,” meanwhile, are active participants in the overall story of the season.

If you think back to the third episode, which feels like a lifetime ago, you’ll recall that when the witches from “Coven” came to Outpost 3 after the robot Ms. Mead poisoned everyone, they resurrected three characters and revealed that they were actually witches who had been placed under an identity spell, which at minimum made them forget they were witches. Two of those characters were Coco and Mallory (Billie Lourd), who had been acting, under the spell, as Coco’s assistant prior to the apocalypse.

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Given that Coco and Mallory were living at least semi-fake lives prior to the apocalypse, it follows that the people closest to them could also have been placed under an identity spell. Considering the spell was apparently part of Cordelia’s (Sarah Paulson) plan to fight Michael Langdon (Cody Fern), it would useful to place people around Coco and Mallory who wouldn’t blow their cover.

And so it would be a very “AHS” twist to have a fourth witch, Bubbles, as backup. And to have another character, like Mr. Gallant to make sure Bubbles ends up where she needs to be. Plus, using an identity spell on other characters could give Coco and Mallory pre-existing relationships in the wild to bolster their cover.

It’s not a perfect theory, however, as there are a few issues that I can’t explain. One very big one is that Venable and Mead, who were running Outpost 3, knew Jeff already because Venable worked at his robotics lab and he actually made Ms. Mead. It would be pretty convenient for them not to recognize him even with his dramatic makeover.

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Likewise, Coco and Mallory were using their real names under the identity spell, and Coco has maintained her relationship with her real family up until the moment they’re incinerated in a nuclear blast. And Coco, at least, seems pretty much like the same person before and after the spell. Brock and Mr. Gallant, by contrast, are completely different than Mutt and Jeff — but for the spell to really work that change would be necessary considering Jeff and Mutt are devoted servants of Satan.

The differences between Evie and Bubbles fall somewhere in between — both characters are actors, but Evie is losing her faculties to age while Bubbles is still super sharp.

So this theory is a bit out there, and has lots of holes — but, honestly, that’s not any different than just watching the show itself given how it’s structured for maximum surprise. Even with only two episodes left, there’s a ton we don’t know about what’s going on in “AHS: Apocalypse,” so it’s hard to imagine any major theory about what’s coming could be airtight at this point.

Either way, we’ll find out very soon.

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(Warning: This interview contains spoilers through Episode 107 of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse.”)

Decisions, decisions.

Dinah Stevens (Adina Porter) is trying to avoid taking sides on “American Horror Story: Apocalypse.” And so far, the Voodoo Queen of New Orleans has been doing a pretty good job minding her own business in Outpost 3 for the first seven episodes of the eighth installment in the Ryan Murphy anthology series. And that’s partially because we haven’t actually revisited the bunker in a while.

But based on last week’s episode — which dove into Dinah’s backstory with the “Coven” witches and how she advised Cordelia (Sarah Paulson) to sacrifice her girls to help fight Michael Langdon (Cody Fern) in the coming battle, though the Supreme did not heed her warning — it looks like she’s going to need to join a team in the present day, and soon.

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Porter sat down with TheWrap‘s TV reporter Jennifer Maas on Tuesday to chat about why Dinah has been holding out for so long, and if she’s going to stay out of this whole mess, now that she’s been brought back to life by her fellow witches in the Outpost — after everyone down there suffered a nasty case of death by poison apples.

“No, we won’t tap out,” Porter said in the interview above. “But you know, Dinah there was a whole speech that got cut… You know, Switzerland I think got it right. You know what I mean? Switzerland is always neutral, and then they just end up being on the side of the winner.”

So does that mean she knows who the winner here is going to be: antichrist Michael, current Supreme Cordelia or supposedly rising Supreme Mallory (played by Billie Lourd)? Maybe.

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But when asked who she’d put her money on, after a deep breath and a very long pause, she said with a smile, “Switzerland got it right.”

Watch Porter’s full interview — in which she also gives her ideas for the next two seasons of “AHS” — above.

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Blood is thicker than water — unless you’re a scaredy cat like Julia Roberts, in which case the familial bond you share with niece Emma Roberts won’t be enough to get you anywhere near “American Horror Story,” in which Emma plays a leading part.

Nope, the Oscar winner is staying far away from Ryan Murphy’s gory FX anthology series — both on screen and off.

“You know everybody divides the world into two groups?” Roberts told Entertainment Weekly in an interview published Tuesday. “My two groups are people that like to be scared and people who don’t like to be scared. The first season of ‘American Horror Story’ came out and the way that I took my kids to school then, there was a traffic light that I always hit red and there was a poster for ‘American Horror Story’ right at that traffic light.”

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Julia saw that and warned her good friend, “AHS” co-creator Murphy — who directed the actress in “Eat Pray Love” and “The Normal Heart” — she would not be tuning in for it.

“I called Ryan and I said, ‘I’m just going to tell you right now — I don’t think I can watch your show. I can’t support you. I don’t think I can do it,’” Roberts continued. “He goes, ‘Lady, you won’t get through the commercial.’ Okay, that’s a good friend. Someone who really knows me and so of course I would never watch that.”

OK, but what does she say to her poor niece — who has starred on several seasons of “AHS,” including the currently airing “Apocalypse” — about even watching her work?

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“And then Emma’s on it and I say, ‘Emma, sweetheart, I don’t think I can watch this show that you’re in.’ And she goes, ‘Auntie, I was in this toy box at the end of this bed and they pulled my arm off.’ I go, ‘Okay. You just have to stop talking. I can’t handle it.’ So that is off the table for me. I don’t watch things like that.”

“American Horror Story” airs Wednesdays at 10/9c on FX.

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(Warning: Spoilers head for “Return to Murder House,” Wednesday’s episode of “American Horror Story: Apocalypse.”)

Dylan McDermott came back home last night for one hell of a tearjerker.

The “American Horror Story” alum returned to the franchise for the eagerly anticipated sixth episode of “AHS: Apocalypse” — the most fitting of all times for the Season 1 star to rejoin the cast, as the episode was called “Return to Murder House,” and obviously packed with references to the series’ first season, “Murder House.”

Oh, and that included a callback to a scene in which his character, Dr. Ben Harmon, was crying and masturbating. Yes, McDermott did it again when reprising his “Murder House” role, this time under the watchful eye of first-time director and “AHS” lead Sarah Paulson. (Read TheWrap’s interview with Paulson about her directorial debut here.)

And McDermott tells TheWrap he was happy to be “in on the joke” this time, as fans have continued to poke fun at that particular moment from the first season of the Ryan Murphy-created series over the last seven years.

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“Well, you know I tweeted today, or last night something like, ‘So great coming back to ‘American Horror Story. Thank you for all your love. It was a real tearjerker,’” McDermott told TheWrap, laughing, in an interview Thursday. (See the tweet below).

Thank you for all the love. It was great being back on AMERICAN HORROR STORY! What a Tear Jerker! @AHSFX @MrRPMurphy

— Dylan McDermott (@DylanMcDermott) October 18, 2018

“So, you know, I was totally in on the joke, I get the joke,” McDermott added. “I think it’s hilarious that I’m a ghost and I spend my days masturbating and crying out that window. That’s my torture. I do it every day, at a certain time of day, out the window. And then he says, ‘I don’t mind the other part, it’s just the crying I can do without.’ Hilarious. (laughs)

The scene where McDermott’s character cries while um, taking care of business, in his den in the haunted mansion is just one of the many amazing “Murder House” moments from Wednesday’s episode, which also saw the returns of franchise alums Connie Britton and Jessica Lange, reprising their roles as Ben’s wife Vivien and their neighbor Constance Langdon, respectively.

And then there was Taissa Farmiga, Evan Peters and Frances Conroy — all of whom are already playing one character this season — coming back to their “Murder House” roots as well, for the origin story of Michael Langdon (Cody Fern).

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Read TheWrap‘s full interview with McDermott below, in which he also teases if he, Britton and Lange will be coming back to the “Apocalypse” before the 10-episode season wraps next month.

How did Ryan get you to come back this season?

It was the Vanity Fair party. That’s what it was. The Vanity Fair party for the Oscars. And I saw Ryan and we started talking and he said, “I want you to come back to ‘American Horror Story.’ I have this thing planned.” And I was like, “Yeah, I’m there in a second. I love that show. I love you. Whatever you need, I’m there.”

Do you know how he got Connie and Jessica to come back, too?

I don’t know exactly what happened there — but usually when Ryan asks, you say yes.

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How did it feel to be back in the “Murder House” with everyone from Season 1 after so much time away from the series?

Completely surreal because it’s the same place where we filmed the pilot. It’s been seven years right? It was the same set and some of the crew members were the same. Makeup was the same and some of the camera department and the sound department [was the same]. So it was very surreal, like we never left. And when Connie came it was very emotional, because we spent a lot of time together. And then with Jessica there, it was like we never, never left. And it was really beautiful because there are so many heartfelt memories that we have there of working long hours and creating this new kind of television that Ryan made. Because before then, if you remember, you know you were locked in for seven years with these shows. And Ryan was really the first person to say, “Come for a season. Don’t worry about it.” And that’s how he attracts such amazing actors.

Did you feel a lot of pressure with the episode being the most eagerly anticipated of the season, with fans very excited to come back to “Murder House”?

Yeah, yeah, I think everybody felt the pressure, and the fact that Sarah directed it was the best. Because Sarah speaks our language. She’s an actor, she’s talented. I’m so glad it was her and I thought she did an amazing job. And Ryan came to the set and it really was handled so beautifully. It didn’t feel like we were jumping any hurdles, it felt like we were just coming home.

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The moment where Ben is masturbating and crying as his “punishment” as a ghost was clearly a giant nod to the infamous “Murder House” scene. What do you think of that joke?

Well, you know I tweeted today, or last night something like, ‘So great coming back to ‘American Horror Story. Thank you for all your love. It was a real tear jerker (laughs). So, you know, I was totally in on the joke, I get the joke. I think it’s hilarious that I’m a ghost and I spend my days masturbating and crying out that window. That’s my torture. I do it every day, at a certain time of day, out the window. And then he says, ‘I don’t mind the other part, it’s just the crying I can do without.’ Hilarious. (laughs)

How many times did you film that scene?

Oh man, that was like at least seven hours (jokingly). Yeah, funny, right?

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What do you think of the Michael Langdon original story?

You know, it’s so terrifying this spawn of Satan. This kid who is so charismatic, it’s so frightening because to the world he’s beautiful. And, you know, people are so caught up in appearances and what things look like, but underneath you have this dark, dark world. So I think it’s actually genius. But I find it so frightening. To me it’s the most frightening, like “Rosemary’s Baby.” That stuff, cause it feels real, like it could happen — that Satan is real and there is this army of darkness out there. So, I thought that was really — in doing the show that kind of scared me a little bit. Because that stuff is real, it does exist. And to try to help this kid that was Ben’s plight really. And he’s the worst psychiatrist in the world, because he helps him! (laughs) And, in that, he really helps no one, it’s so sad. (laughs)

Are you or Connie or Jessica coming back for any more episodes this season? I know they are shooting the finale now.

You never know with Ryan. I don’t think so. I think this was it. I didn’t see the episode, so I have to watch it.

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Do you have any idea what’s in store for the finale?

Geez, I really don’t. There is a lot of secrecy around it. The scripts are sent to the house, they aren’t emailed. So I don’t know, to answer your question. I don’t think anybody knows until Ryan and [co-creator] Brad [Falchuk] sign off on it.

Would you come back to “American Horror Story” in general? Two more seasons have already been ordered.

You know, I’m doing “The Politician” right now — Ryan’s newest show at Netflix. You know, I’m a Ryan Murphy fan for life, so whatever he asks me to do, I’ll do. If he says, “I want you to come back to ‘American Horror Story,” I’m there. I think he’s the most talented producer in Hollywood. And I just think that he has his pulse on pop culture like no one does. And the fact that I’m part of his troupe is incredible.

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